The whole MRA spermjacking fear is overblown, I think: if you don’t trust your partner enough to trust that they’re telling the truth about birth control, you don’t trust them enough to not lie to you about having an STI, and so you should be wearing a condom anyway.
Well I do not get what is written here. For instance, MRAs that fear spermjacking are advocating to use condoms or to take the fertility in your own hands. Also, having a spouse you may believe might "forget" taking birth control pills is something different than believing your spouse would cheat on you. Which brings us to another point, obviously the pill is a bit different than a condom. It is obvious when a condom is used for a pill it is not. So putting on a condom might actually tell your SO "I do not really trust you". So things are not that easy, there is a bit of unequal playing field here. Regardless, the question is how overblown is that fear?
Well the NISVS (page 48) has an answer for us:
Prevalence of Control of Reproductive or Sexual Health by an Intimate Partner
Approximately 8.6% (or an estimated 10.3 million) of women in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get them pregnant when
they did not want to, or refused to use a condom, with 4.8% having had an intimate partner who tried to get them pregnant when they did not want to, and 6.7% having
had an intimate partner who refused to wear a condom (data not shown).
Approximately 10.4% (or an estimated 11.7 million) of men in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them from using birth control, with 8.7% having had an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them from using birth control and 3.8% having had an intimate partner who refused to wear a condom (data not shown).
I assume there are many cases that do not land in the statistics. 1/10 is pretty much....don't you think?
EDIT: Someone in the comments made the same point, I saw it mentioned on Reddit first though.
I think the data needs to be compared to questions phrased the other way, e.g. "Have you ever tried to get pregnant/make a woman pregnant when they didn't want to, though lying about prevention, sabotaging prevention or refusing to use prevention?"
ReplyDeleteBy themselves, these numbers only say that men are more afraid of it, which is there is a rather obvious explanation for (as you point out, it's much easier for women to conceal).
A big thing is that the state put a gun to a mans head if he has been successfully abused in this way, non-compliance makes the male a criminal and social pariah. While a woman that's been abused in the same way, has get out options and the assistance and sympathy of society and the state.
ReplyDeleteBy the way "spermjacking" is a feminist term used to belittle and mock, mras don't use it as far as I know.
ReplyDeleteStats suggest that 1 in 11 is the base line number - only the number for those that have been caught, and the real figure is likely much higher than that.
ReplyDelete>I think the data needs to be compared to questions phrased the other way, e.g. "Have you ever tried to get pregnant/make a woman pregnant when they didn't want to, though lying about prevention, sabotaging prevention or refusing to use prevention?"
ReplyDeleteThat would certainly be very very very interesting. Couldn't find good data on it though.
>By themselves, these numbers only say that men are more afraid of it, which is there is a rather obvious explanation for (as you point out, it's much easier for women to conceal).
Not really, they ask if that has happened, not if they fear so. Or are you arguing that the higher lifetime rape numbers in that study just reflects women's higher fear of rape?
>By the way "spermjacking" is a feminist term used to belittle and mock, mras don't use it as far as I know.
Jep
>Stats suggest that 1 in 11 is the base line number - only the number for those that have been caught, and the real figure is likely much higher than that.
Jep
Hi feckless
DeleteOzyfrantz on that thread has failed to recognize why reproductive abuse is a more serious a threat for men, the poster Gingko is saying that there is a list of reasons why it is here, but I can't see it. Was it in an earlier version of this entry or is it somewhere else on the blog?
I just read Ginko's post on the GMP. I did not change the above. I assume what he was referring to was this part:
Delete>For instance, MRAs that fear spermjacking are advocating to use condoms or to take the fertility in your own hands. Also, having a spouse you may believe might "forget" taking birth control pills is something different than believing your spouse would cheat on you. Which brings us to another point, obviously the pill is a bit different than a condom. It is obvious when a condom is used for a pill it is not. So putting on a condom might actually tell your SO "I do not really trust you". So things are not that easy, there is a bit of unequal playing field here.
I just realized why this post has the obscene amount of comments (for this blog)...
Ah I see now, sorry about that. The list to me is incomplete though without mention that society and the state will punish men for non compliance with female reproductive abusers up to prison for failure to pay CS through no fault of their own (job loss etc)and without allowing access to the child, while society and the state will provide multiple examples of ways out, sympathy, protection and understanding for female victims of male reproductive abusers. And these are the issues that mra's will point to.
DeleteOzyfantz post and the whole feminist mockery and dismissal surrounding what they call "spermjacking", is indicative of this lack of regard and empathy for men, they have basically made a running joke and a meme out of this type of abuse.
I wonder if you would consider up dating the list to include those issues, as those are the more pertinent issues?
Came over here after skimming through the GMP post as well. Want to add a couple additional points.
ReplyDelete- Some men are at greater risk than others: professional athletes, celebrities, etc.
- Men who have felt pressured into procreation are justifiably more worried than men who haven't been pressured
- Men who have been exposed to an unscrupulous woman, perhaps overheard a group of women jokingly talking about doing this, are justifiably more worried about it happening to them.
Ozy's remarks contain a serious logical fallacy. Trusting your partner doesn't alter the likelihood of betrayal. If the problem is real, then it could happen to a man whether or not he chooses to trust.
A big thing is that the state spot a gun up to a mans head if he has become effectively abused in this way, non-compliance may appear to make the male a violent since well as private pariah. When a female that's been abused in identical way, has get away options and also the help as well as also sympathy of community and additionally the state.
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